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Title: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Ciepierball on March 02, 2016, 03:05:02 PM
It's obvious...most of our fans, aren't happy, we haven't won many games in the last decade, and the best way to turn things around comes with recruiting.  The two things that teams need in college to win: point guards and size, are two things that we lack, and then add to it IQ.  This is how I would approach recruiting, and I think all of this is fairly realistic.  Want to know your thoughts after:

Accessing Current Roster - I want to make sure that I level both the positions, as well as the classes.  For example, we have a ton of combo guards for next year, however no true point (possibly Gage).  Also, we have no true post, as Hamilton is a perimeter player, and the two others sit on the bench.  We also have no juniors next year, so we have an issue with heavily weighted classes, and no open scholarship for 2018.

First, I have five scholarships for 2017.  That's my class I need to hit big, so I'd want to give up any of those seniors in exchange for a 2016 kid (unless it's a stud).  Second, I am not touching my freshmen class obviously, so that leaves our current freshmen right now, and that's it.  I want to get a couple of bigs that fit my system, need to get a PG that has another gear, and one of them has to be a juco to level out my classes.

My positions include 5 combo guards (Gage, Garrett, Wood, Docks, Gazi), 1 true shooting guard (Cyrus), 2 true small forwards (Currington and Cain), a combo forward (Scott), 1 true power forward (Eichelberger), and 3 centers (Hamilton, Barry, and Phillips).  So again, point guard and speed is an issue, as well as quality bigs.

Who Goes? There are two obvious ones I will point out, and then one that I'm sure will shock people.  The two obvious are Barry and Phillips.  They have never been used this year, which shows either the staff isn't impressed with them, or they aren't trying in practice.  Either way, I would be shocked if both come back next season.  Both were the previous regimes guys, and it was too late to get size when they came aboard.  The other is Gazi.  Obviously I was a huge fan, and I think he still has promise, however we have so many guards, and he just hasn't panned out the way we thought.  I know his parents were animate about him getting an education, as he wanted to play professional in Europe.  With his limited time, I think the writing may be on the wall.  100% speculation.  But if I was the staff, that's what I would do.

Who Do I Bring In? Well, two guys we know they are looking at are Levi Cook and Marcus Ottey.  Ottey is pretty high on both DePaul and Wichita State, and Brandon Cyrus has been friends with him for years.  Cooks sees DePaul as a place that he can get instant playing time.  He's moving better, lost alot of weight, and seems committed.  The last scholarship I'd give to a JUCO big.  Is it Marlon Jones?  Someone else?  Whoever, get someone who has size, athleticism, and can contribute for two years.

2017 Is The Most Important Year - Five man class means you get one of every position.  Point guard is a must, a shooter or two is a must, and we need a couple of bigs to start being able to man up in the Big East.

I think the first domino to fall is a shooter, and I think it'll be Matt Beachler.  He's a Mustang kid from Michigan, is compared to a Drake Diener, has a great IQ, and loves loves loves DePaul.  Had a great unofficial, and can see himself as a Blue Demon.  In talking to people within AAU, they hear he will be a spring commit to wherever he lands.  He's not ranked, but extremely efficient, and is a lights out shooter who can also handle the ball.  Macura from Xavier?

Point Guard is the position I'm most intrigued about, and looking at the guys DePaul has been going after, it's an obvious priority.  DePaul has names out there like Makai Ashton-Langford, Quade Green, Nojel Eastern, etc.  I think Eastern will go Big Ten, Langford I don't see our connection, and Green will be hard to get out of Philly.  I'm just being realistic.  But one guy DePaul has been on before anyone else, and may have the best raw skill: Markell Johnson.  Watch some video on him, and you'll see alot of John Wall.  He has size, explosion, and speed.  The last two are things we don't have.  He's been to DePaul twice, and close with the staff.  The staff should do a huge push for this kid.

Ever look at other teams, and they just look like men?  We need a man.  There is another kid out of Michigan that is just that....Xavier Tillman.  DePaul offered him early.  6'8", 260lbs, soft touch, and great footwork.  He's not a leaper by any means, but he's a bull.  Beachler was a teammate, and Carter is close with these kids.  Isaiah Livers is another option, but this is the kid I want, and I would go all out to get him.

For the other big, I'd get someone more defensive oriented, and someone that is a combo forward, like Scott, just better, as DePaul plays alot of 4-out sets.  I don't know much about him, but watch alot of video, but Goanar Mar.  6'7", long arms, super athletic, quick, and can play a couple positions out on the floor.  Again, don't know much about him, but I'm intrigued.

Lastly, I'd want a true small forward, and someone who has an amazing IQ with skills.   I've been told that Missouri native Jared Ridder is a kid that is going to rocket in the rankings.  6'6" or 6'7", alot of people say he's a Mike Dunleavey when he was at Duke, and has an amazing shot.  DePaul one of the first high majors to offer him, and has said to some that DePaul is high on his list.  DePaul has some great connections now in Missouri.  Would be a huge get.

How Would Our Roster Look -

PG - Ottey - SO
PG - Johnson - FR
CG - Gage - SO
SG - Cyrus - SO
SG - Beachler - FR
SF - Cain - JR
SF - Ridder - FR
CF - Scott - SO
CF - Mar - FR
PF - Eichelberger - SO
PF - Tillman - FR
C - Cook - SO
C - Jones (?) - SR

Would be a very young team, but competitive and talked about.  And would have a couple of years to gel together.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on March 02, 2016, 03:45:07 PM
4 guys in Rivals top 150 for 2017 with 2 of them at four stars/

To quote Steven Tyler... Dream on.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Ciepierball on March 02, 2016, 04:13:35 PM
Markell Johnson - DePaul first on him from high majors.  firs tmajor offer.

Matt Beachler - DePaul #1 on this list, and has strong Carter connection.

Jared Ridder - Says DePaul is high on his list.  Possible long shot.

Goanar Mar - No clue.  But maybe Livers here....Carter connection, and rated higher.

Xavier Tillman - Carter connection, and first offer given by new staff.

None of these are just out of left field per say.....rather they are all attainable.  Do they have to work?  Yes.  But attainable.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: BrianC on March 02, 2016, 05:20:46 PM
I guess we will find out how good Carter and Leitao are at recruiting. I appreciate the info Ciep....but these guys all seem to have their arrows pointing up.  Carter will have to be very convincing to get someone to commit, if said recruit has other high major options....I hope you are right, but I have little hope.  They may need to scour the AAU circuit for kids that have potential (late bloomers), but I can't imagine that being very easy. 
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: OldSchoolDemon on March 02, 2016, 06:49:48 PM
Nathan Reuvers and Ishmael El-Amin are also attaianable...add Joiner to the list as well since he and Gage are like brothers. I'd take El-Amin if he has the same game as his Dad
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Q3DePaul on March 02, 2016, 07:42:45 PM
Ciepier,

No offense and we all appreciate your insight but this might be your craziest post yet.  We're going to be coming off a 20 loss season (another one) with ZERO momentum on the recruiting side and arguably will be worse next year (hard to imagine). 

Why would any of these recruits (Carter connection or not) come to DePaul?

 
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: gochicago on March 02, 2016, 08:47:08 PM
Ciep, thanks for putting this out there, I sure wish this could all play out for this team, however I have no confidence this will happen.  This coach we have was NOT the right guy to bring in at this time after going through 10 years of just brutal basketball.   We needed a difference maker and DL is just not the guy.  Assistant coaches can only do so much.   Overall situation is a train wreck!!
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Hayes-Healy Superstar on March 02, 2016, 08:51:21 PM
Q3, easy answer, you play the game and you win the game. Anytime DePaul wants to start winning recruiting battles comes down to commitment.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Hayes-Healy Superstar on March 02, 2016, 08:52:57 PM
Oh and FJ, if Dave had an offseason like that, that is what I was talking about as out kicking their coverage and no doubters.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: lake county fan on March 03, 2016, 08:01:31 AM
I am not sure how many of those guys we could get to commit but Dave and Carter must get something going by 2017
Thanks Ciep for the info
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Griffin11 on March 03, 2016, 09:31:59 AM
My solution would be to get into the DeLorean get it up to 88 MPH, go back to last March/April and not hire DL.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: mrap24 on March 03, 2016, 11:19:55 AM
thanks for that info.  what we really need to do is establish class balance.  next year, if all holds, we will have 5 SR, 5 Soph and 3 frosh.  If we are going to lose people, we need to pick up JUCO guys who are JR's toe even things out.  You cant keep having 5 man classes every other year and weeding people out and then having dead classes.  of course this wont hold, but as of right now, we would have a 0 man 2018 class

Roster construction is terrible and that needs to be fixed immediately

I'd also show F. Scott the door.  he is not BE material and never was.  we arent in a position to do favors to Simeon or let BG be able to tell people he recruited guys from the CPL.  we need guys who can play, and can play now.

I dont know enough about the lists of the guys you mentioned, but i am not sure "carter connections" will be enough given i am sure other schools have connections as well.  Not being able to show progress this year is an absolute killer, b/c most of these 2017's will commit this summer, and we have nothing on court to sell them.  will some be willing to take a leap of faith, maybe, but we have absolutely no positives to show them for forward direction of the program
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: John92 on March 04, 2016, 10:22:39 AM
I saw on the Rivals link FJ provided that Tillmon has offers from, among others, Kentucky, Mich State, NC State, Purdue, ND, X and Marquette.  He might be a reach.

Livers seemed to have only two mid major offers but has interest from Izzo & Co.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on March 08, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Markell Johnson has narrowed his list and even though DePaul was among the first to offer, they are not on the final list. Louisville, tOSU, Cleveland State, VT and NC State are his final five.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Champ on March 11, 2016, 10:03:53 AM
DePaul has to have some alumni with very deep pockets that care about their school. 
These individuals need to be organized and speak with one voice about the basketball situation.
They have the ways and means to buy out existing contracts and with their promise of support if they have a major say in who gets hired to lead this shameless program back to respectability.
In short tell the B.O.T. -  'No More'.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: ayakulik1 on March 12, 2016, 09:47:57 AM
Cleveland State makes the final cut and DPU doesn't. Speaks volumes about the how far the program has deteriorated .
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on April 04, 2016, 08:44:22 AM
Markell has backed away from his list of 5 schools, so that is a positive for DePaul. A potential negative? He was among the top performers this weekend at NY2LA Sports Swish 'N Dish, so likely will get more attention.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: OldSchoolDemon on April 04, 2016, 11:43:36 AM
Markell has backed away from his list of 5 schools, so that is a positive for DePaul. A potential negative? He was among the top performers this weekend at NY2LA Sports Swish 'N Dish, so likely will get more attention.

he also left open the possibility of reclassifying...if there were ever a time for Rick to work some magic now would be a good time
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on April 04, 2016, 12:03:43 PM
I would be very surprised if; A. he came to DePaul and B. It was as a 2016 recruit.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: John92 on May 08, 2016, 05:45:04 PM
Ciep any update/news over the past 10 weeks?  Obviously some recent commits impact your original post.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Ciepierball on May 15, 2016, 10:50:31 PM
Sorry guys, been super busy, but yes, a ton has happened in the past month or so, plus I went to Fort Wayne, and was able to see some of the guys that they are recruiting, so definitely can come up with a few changes.

2016 Class

We are done!  Heard through the grapevine that we are not going to get a visit from the Martin twins, so with that said, we are done for 2016, and all 13 of our scholarships are covered.  In talking with Eric Bossi of Rivals, Cyrus was between 150 and 175, and Gage was between 175 and 200...loved our Juco, saw Al being strong for a Mid-Major (again, I think that's fine for us...do the dirty work), and hasn't seen Cook since he lost alot of weight, but West Virginia fans were super impressed with him.  This is our squad, and I do think we have more gritty players this year than last year.  And while we needed to upgrade skill, I think grit was even more-so needing an upgrade.

2017 Class

This class we are needing many things, but we are most needing Point Guard help, as well as Post help.  With that being said, I think we need one of each position, however at guard we need two guys that can play the point when needed.  Here is my class, and I do have some stretches.

Justin Roberts (PG) - I fell in love with this kid in Fort Wayne.  He is so smart, so vocal on the court, super quick, makes plays in the halfcourt and fullcourt, and plays tough defense.  I don't care if he has limited offers...he's a winner.  Had a great EYBL this past weekend in Hampton, so I'm sure his name will be bubbling up some.  But he loves DePaul thus far, even giving fans a teaser of him in a uniform a week or so ago.  I think there is a high probability that we can get him.  Would be an amazing get.

Nojel Eastern (PG/SG/SF) - People will be surprised by this, but hear me out.  He's gotten quiet lately, where he had alot of injuries, hasn't blown up in the EYBL as much as coaches would have liked, and many coaches are questioning what position will he guard.  He oozes IQ, and is so crafty.  Sammy Mejia has a clone, and it's Nojel.  His relationship is very strong with Leitao, and he'd be the man Day 1.  It's a stretch, but I really think we can get him.

Jordan Nwora (SF) - Leitao has been following the NY Rens like a puppydog in EYBL during Live Period, and it's because his eyes are on this shooter.  He's long, can get his shot off, both off the catch and after a couple of dribbles, and making a name as one of the best shooters in high school right now.  Leitao has such a strong connection to NYC, and both Carter and Sellers has strong ties to Vermont Academy.  I think our shot is very good here.

Marcus Santos-Silva (PF) - DePaul was the first high major on him, and they love this kid.  He's huge, knows how to use his body, and extremely skilled.  Also, he's teammates with Nwora, and both can see playing time pretty early.  Right now still under the radar, he's a kid that can really blow up come this summer.

There will be a center in this class, but I think it'll come from a 5th year.  We need one or two more spots in the 2018 class, and a 5th year will be huge.  Getting someone to come in to take Tommie's minutes, as well as mentor a sophomore in Cook, along with a Santos-Silva, would be huge.  I think DePaul would be a more attractive destination for a 5th year, especially with the opening of a new arena and alot of playing time.


That is my updates class guys.  Have at it.

Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Big Kid on May 15, 2016, 11:23:20 PM
Cieps, I always love the insight and the passion but we are NOT getting Eastern. I don't care if he fell a bit, majors will still be calling based on his potential. He will end up somewhere else other than Lincoln Park.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on May 16, 2016, 09:18:03 AM
Cieps, I always love the insight and the passion but we are NOT getting Eastern. I don't care if he fell a bit, majors will still be calling based on his potential. He will end up somewhere else other than Lincoln Park.
Big Kid - I can name you guys who always had the reputation of high potential who ultimately fell off these top program's radar.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Q3DePaul on May 16, 2016, 09:43:15 AM
What ever happened to Marlon Jones?  I thought we were high on him for the 2016 class?
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Ciepierball on May 16, 2016, 10:04:25 AM
Big Kid - there is alot of chatter that Eastern just doesn't have that upside that most people thought he had.  I love the kids IQ, really knows how to get his teammates involved, can score a bit, but his glaring issue is his lack of athleticism.  Honestly, Billy Jr. may be a better athlete than him.  So who does he guard?  He will have issues at any of the three positions.  I'm hearing that DePaul, Northwestern, and Xavier are really in tight with him, and the Xavier connection was first started by Carter.  Does he want to go to like a Michigan State, but just be a role player, or go to another and have an integral role?  I think it's a great argument.  Look at his EYBL numbers, and they aren't eye popping.  Has been an inconsistent shooter, hasn't created much off the dribble, and his assists to turnover ratio show that maybe he's not as good at the point as people thought.  Again, I think he'd be great at DePaul, but at a Top 20 program?  Maybe not.

Q3 - DePaul isn't on Jones anymore.  No clue what happened to him.  I know when they offered him, the next day or so Arizona gave him a contingent offer.  He told DePaul he is going to see if any of those top, top programs were going to offer him.  One thing about Leitao is that if you don't really wanna play for DePaul, rather just playing here because that's your best option, then he doesn't really want you.  Definitely a change from the past.  So he hasn't been on their radar for a bit.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: mrap24 on May 16, 2016, 10:09:02 AM
ah yes the ole "we cooled on him stuff."  love it.  gets better offers, we tell him either you are with us or against us and we coll on him.  classic.  seems to be working well.  more like he realized he can go to a better program than depaul.  but love the DL spin that he cools on the kid when he looks elsewhere.  perfect

and more of the myth or carter the recruiter


Big Kid - there is alot of chatter that Eastern just doesn't have that upside that most people thought he had.  I love the kids IQ, really knows how to get his teammates involved, can score a bit, but his glaring issue is his lack of athleticism.  Honestly, Billy Jr. may be a better athlete than him.  So who does he guard?  He will have issues at any of the three positions.  I'm hearing that DePaul, Northwestern, and Xavier are really in tight with him, and the Xavier connection was first started by Carter.  Does he want to go to like a Michigan State, but just be a role player, or go to another and have an integral role?  I think it's a great argument.  Look at his EYBL numbers, and they aren't eye popping.  Has been an inconsistent shooter, hasn't created much off the dribble, and his assists to turnover ratio show that maybe he's not as good at the point as people thought.  Again, I think he'd be great at DePaul, but at a Top 20 program?  Maybe not.

Q3 - DePaul isn't on Jones anymore.  No clue what happened to him.  I know when they offered him, the next day or so Arizona gave him a contingent offer.  He told DePaul he is going to see if any of those top, top programs were going to offer him.  One thing about Leitao is that if you don't really wanna play for DePaul, rather just playing here because that's your best option, then he doesn't really want you.  Definitely a change from the past.  So he hasn't been on their radar for a bit.
Title: Re: My Solution For A Quick, Efficient Fix
Post by: Ciepierball on May 16, 2016, 10:14:32 AM
mrap - so tell me, what are Jones's better offers?  Arizona pulled theirs, as well as a couple of other programs.  They were contingent.  Your argument doesn't really hold much weight.  The kid was getting poor advice, and some of his "advisers" I'm sure had their hands out.  Again, we won't have a strong city presence going forward.
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