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Title: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Ciepierball on December 23, 2015, 12:13:48 PM
After the non-conference, wanted to get my thoughts out there.  Lots to read below, but I'm hoping you guys respond and let me know your thoughts.

Am I Happy Thus Far? - I said from the beginning that this year was more about developing a culture and putting in a system that you'll use for years to come, rather one that just works with what you have.  However, thru this I wanted to see us win some games, and show promise for the future.  So, am I happy thus far?  Let me first walk you through my thoughts...we are 6-6.  Our losses are to Penn State (very solid team), South Carolina (undefeated right now), Florida State (consistent NCAA team from a power conference), Arkansas Little-Rock (at the time #1 defensive team in the country and was undefeated until yesterday), Stanford (good team but on the road), and Northwestern (a very good team that we should have beaten).  We didn't lose to any chumps like we have in the past, and we beat the #20 team in the country in George Washington, which hasn't happened since 2008.  I would have said I would be super happy if we were 7-5, which meant we won two big games, however I thought that Northwestern game was virtually a win, as we outplayed them, so I would say I'm not super happy, but I'm happy, however I'm extremely excited about the future.

The Kids Are Starting To Buy In - A few days ago I was talking on the phone to OldSchoolDemon, and I told him "the Northwestern game was a game where the kids I believe found their roles".  When you find your role, and you're comfortable in your role, that means you've bought in to what the coaches are preaching.  I really do think the kids bought in, and you can see from the bench that the kids were so excited...even the ones that weren't playing.  The last two games you can see that players are playing differently than they have in the past, where they are playing more inside their comfort zones versus trying to do too much.  I'll get into that later, but it shows they are buying into what the coaches are preaching.

Are The Coaches Effectively Teaching The Kids? - This was a debate on this board as early as yesterday morning.  Many people have different opinions, and before I give mine, I want to point a few things out:

- These kids were not recruited by this staff, but rather the previous.  Gazi and Scott are the only true recruits that this staff has gotten on their own.  The rest are leftovers from the previous regime.

- None of these kids were really recruited by our coaches at their previous schools.  That says something.

- You can't each a 5 year old how to drive a car.  You can't teach a dophin to jog.  Well, these kids have low basketball IQ's, and like I said, these aren't the kids that they would have hand-picked to run what they want to.  But with that being said, look at Myke Henry this year versus last, especially on defense, where he's improved alot.  Also his shot selection.  How about Aaron Simpson, especially moving without the ball and being more aggressive.  The rebounding of Tommie (which I still think needs to be better), but it has improved.  The last two games you can just tell that the team's identity has changed, and they are playing much harder, stronger, and more aggressive.  That comes from the teaching that's going on behind closed doors.  Also, minus Woods, our shot selection this year, especially over the last couple of games, is so much better than previous years.  Again, teaching and coaching.  I love what the coaches are doing, and impressive for what they were dealt with.

Our Seniors Are Our MVP's - I've been so impressed with our seniors, as they are playing like true seniors.  Just want to call them out as to why.

Molinari - Watch him on the bench.  This guy is 100% leadership, and it really shows during timeouts when they are in huddles.  I hope they retain him as a grad assistant next year. 

Simpson - I didn't think much of him going into the year, but he's having what I call a Kerry Hartfield-like presence on the team.  He's great from the outside, and for being so small, is so aggressive on both ends of the floor, and surprisingly on the glass.

Henry - Our best offensive player, and has really expanded his game to the dribble drive this year.  His midrange game is unstoppable, and his offensive rebounding has really been key for us this year.

Stimage - He's my team MVP.  The stats don't really show what he means to this team, but he plays with such aggressiveness, passion, is such a great asset on defensive, and overall his personality is contagious to the rest of the team.  Love what he brings!

Is Garrett Finding His Inner Sammy Mejia? - I do know for a fact that when the staff was coming in, they saw Garrett as a guy who can play the role Sammy did for Leitao for two years.  Same size, same position, and many of the same skills....it's just that you need to have a kid who's been playing one way for so long to change his game a bit.  I saw so much Sammy in Garrett last night.  Remember...Leitao used to post Sammy up alot, as well as have him work the middle of the lane for 10-12 footers.  That is Garrett's game!  If he's able to get into the lane and pull up like he did, it only creates more opportunities's for others, gets higher percentage shots (which he needs), as well as opens up his perimeter game, where now he's given some space.  Also loved how they had him flash into the high post at times against the zone.  Such a great idea by the coaching staff!  I haven't been a fan of Garrett lately, but that's because of the way he played before.  If the takes this role on, he becomes a weapon!  And it's evident that the coaching staff is trying to have him buy into this, because twice after timeouts, Leitao said "YOU SEE?  YOU SEE?"  And Billy was shaking his said, smiling, and laughing.  Maybe his eyes are open.

Hamilton Is What He Is - People are so hard on Tommie, because they expect so much out of him.  My dad last night was railing into him, and he was like "That kid just sucks".  Then I pointed this out: He's a bench player that averages 10 points, 7 rebounds, and shoots over 50% from the floor.  Is that bad?  We need to forget about him being ranked Top 20 when he was 14 years old.  History showed that this was a horrible ranking.  We need to remember he was unranked, with only two offers, and we got him.  He's a stretch 4 (no, not a 5, a stretch 4) who is a bench player and provides very good scoring, defensive rebounding, and size.  That's all.  For that, I'm not complaining.

Darrick Wood Has To Go - There are 100 reasons why I don't like this kid.  But let's go over just a few of them:

- Yesterday he was pulled out, and we are winning, and he's pouting, and acting like we are losing by 30.  Then in the line after the game, he's sitting there mumbling all pissed off.  YOU JUST BEAT A RANKED TEAM YOU JACKASS!

- His knees are 100% shot.  He doesn't practice every practice, but somehow he's always ready for games.  Seems like selective pain to me.  If your knees suck, hang it up.

- Defensively he stays in front of his man, but he lets them move forward all the time.  What's the point of playing defense if you let them advance all the time?  It's called laziness.

- Offensively he has no clue what's going on.  Watch when he's out there, and the rest of the team on the floor is always yelling at him because he made the wrong cut, or is deviating from what was called.  Then when you're playing on offense, unless you're doing a down pick, you always have an eye on the ball.  TWICE yesterday he took his eye off the ball, and twice they were turnovers.  WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU LOOKING AT DARRICK?!?!  So, he isn't paying attention without the ball, just imagine when he has the ball......that's why he never finds open teammates.

Darrick, if you read this board, let me say that you are glad you didn't have me as a coach, because I would make your life in practice a living hell, not play you, and then kick you off the team at the end of the year.

My Recruiting Strategy For Next Year - Right now we have 12 committed players for next season, meaning we have one slot left to fill.  This is what I would do, and I'll do it in a granular way:

- With the open scholarship, I would fill it with a change-of-pace PG.  I think we are seeing what good a speedster would do on this squad.  It would open things up, and provide something we lack off the bench.

- Get rid of Develle Phillips.  He's obviously not the right fit, so do the kid a favor and have him go elsewhere.  In his place, get a Juco big man, much like Marlon Jones.  You have a void with Stimage leaving, and we need someone who will rebound, defend, and if they can score, bonus!

- Get rid of Oumar Barry.  He's another guy who obviously the coaches aren't a huge fan of, and bring in a 5th year big man.  A guy who say average 6points and 5 rebounds at Eastern Illinois would be more productive than Barry would next season, and he would give flexibility for the 2017 class.

- Get rid of Darrick Wood.  He's a cancer to this team.  In his place, I would get a 5th year guard, and ONLY get a 5th year guard.  There are a ton of these kids out there, and as long as they were somewhat productive, and can hit an outside shot, they can help us, and still give us flexibility for 2017.

- Then in 2017 you have 6 open spots that you can get in guys that THIS staff wants.  And the new arena will be a good tool to use for that class as well.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: demonvet on December 23, 2015, 01:44:13 PM
So Ciep, tell us how you really feel about Wood...
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: DPU70 on December 23, 2015, 04:18:10 PM
Finally, FINALLY, someone is calling wood out!!!

He doesn't belong on the floor in close games.  Especially at the end.

Twice, he let a pass whiz right by him, while he was looking elsewhere.  One on an outlet from TH that hit the scoring table, and went right in front of him.  He isn't in any game.  Don't know where his head is, but it's not on the floor.

And, he just can't shoot, but he does.

Don't get him, or how he helps this team.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Hayes-Healy Superstar on December 23, 2015, 05:50:18 PM
Ciep,

The only thing you didn't discuss is Cain.  I'm liking his game and especially in combo with Gazi.  I agree though, this backcourt needs a serious boost of speed because we get burned way too much on the defensive end.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on December 23, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
Running off bigs when our biggest weakness will be bigs? Miss on recruiting replacement bigs and DePaul is completely f'd. Here is a novel thought.... Develop some bigs??
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Big Kid on December 26, 2015, 10:23:35 AM
Ciep, to FJ's point, why run off bigs when we are going to be woefully short the next season or two. All we have from a scholarship,point, as of now, for next year is IV, Eichelberger (projected low minutes), Barry and Phillips. The year after we lose IV. It's a running joke on this board at how woeful we've been recruiting bugs for the past 10 years. No guarantees we'll get any JUCO of quality or service ness to come either. We have 2 birds in the hand, why not develop them? It's not like either of these kids came here with no resume (see Obi, Kenny) either. If the staff is as good as you imply, why not develop these kids into something that can be serviceable. I have seen good coaches make kids that had ability that weren't quite fits their systems, productive players because they knew how to utilize them. Wood can go but I think I'd like to see what Barry and Phillips can do before running them out. Maybe be a big mistake in the long run.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: chisox0617 on December 26, 2015, 05:59:41 PM
what's up with Frederick Scott?
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Big Kid on December 26, 2015, 08:14:39 PM
ChiSox, throw Fred Scott in there as well. Leitao recruited Scott and rerecruited Barry and Phillips as he could've let them out of their scholarships when he took over, he didn't. Now, if they don't fit and he he runs them all, or some, out after this year, shame on Dave as he could've done all of these kids a service and let them go elsewhere. Scott, unlike Phillios and Barry, transcends to be more of a wing in my opinion but in any event, I hope there is a plan in place for each of these kids.

Now Scott came here pretty much unranked but Phillips and Barry were 3 Stars according to 24/7 Sports. How many 3 Star bigs do we have beating down our door? We have at least 2 on roster and another with potential (Scott).
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Ciepierball on December 29, 2015, 12:33:08 PM
Just getting back to reading the board, so wanted to respond to some of the posts...

Hayes, I didn't mention Cain, but I love what he brings to this team.  I love big guards, because you can do so much with them.  He's having a solid freshmen year, and I think he can turn out to be a huge contributor for Leitao and staff.  He's our best true penetrator, because he thinks drive first versus shot.  He's going to have to mature a bit and learn how to pull up versus taking it all the way, as he probably leads the team in offensive fouls.  But that's something you can teach, and he should be able to learn.  He, along with Gazi, with his aggressive mindset, I'm excited about!

Big Kid, Leitao did not do these kids a disservice at all for not letting them out of their LOI's.  Leitao was hired March 26th, and obviously you need a couple of weeks to figure things out.  By that time you need to work on 2016 recruiting, rather than 2015...and bigs are the hardest thing to find.  The staff didn't know what they had, so rather than do a quick fix, take these kids, see what you have, and if they aren't what you need, then you move them out.

Freshjive, what I wrote above brings in two bigs, while moving two out.  I'm not sure how that doesn't solve anything.  You'd bring in a 5th year, which has a kid that has been through the grind and understands how to contribute, as well as bring in a Juco, which we need anyway to smooth out the classes.  I think we can find two kids that will help more than Phillips and Barry.  And you mention development.....why develop someone that ultimately doesn't fit what you need and want?  I think maybe Barry, but I think Phillips is not the kind of kid they want and need.

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Big Kid on December 29, 2015, 05:54:27 PM
But Cieps, Barry and Phillips are 3Star bigs, this staff cannot find a way to make them useful? Without them, we aren't getting studs. We are getting the Eicelbergers that need a couple of years. When you have no Sophmore help, you need something that can sustain something down low. Why not coach what you have and make them serviceable???
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Ciepierball on December 30, 2015, 10:41:47 AM
Big Kid, curious, but why do you stress "3 stars" so much?  That literally means nothing, unless the staff themselves rated him 3 stars.  Ever see alot of these "scouts"?  Many times they are chubby guys who have never played or coached the game of basketball, but own a blog, or know someone to get hired somewhere.

I coached against Barry and Phillips.  I said even last year that Phillips was good defensively, however offensively he was HORRIBLE.  I then said Barry barely played (this was during 16U season).  I have also seen Al play.  Skill wise, way better than either of them....way more complete.  However, he's undersized, and needs to work on his body.  That is WAY easier than teaching someone the game, who probably doesn't fit what you're looking for anyways.

The staff likes high IQ players.....I don't think they have many of them right now.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: John92 on December 30, 2015, 01:48:07 PM
There was a video of Al from the first or second game of the season at La Lum, Al grabbed the rebound and dribbled the length of the court and scored.  He was not fluid/smooth, but definitely showed some ability.  LL is also stacked with high D1 prospects and Al (and Cyrus of course) start.  FWIW.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Big Kid on December 30, 2015, 09:58:32 PM
Big Kid, curious, but why do you stress "3 stars" so much?  That literally means nothing, unless the staff themselves rated him 3 stars.  Ever see alot of these "scouts"?  Many times they are chubby guys who have never played or coached the game of basketball, but own a blog, or know someone to get hired somewhere
But yet YOU were asking John92 what rating agencies ranked our incoming guys at 3 Stars??? (Check the Shoutbox). And before you say all I asked was "which site" why would you care as the staff's ratings are all that matters??? So what is it, do you care about ratings or what this Staff rates as players? As fans we don't have your insight and can go on only go on ratings from what we perceive as reputable scouting services and our eyes. Again, our Bigs blow and have blown for the last 10 years. Can Leitao do something there, I can only hope. Tell me more how Eichelberger is so much better than Phillips and Barry and furthermore who we can get to fill the Big spot because I see nothing. I see Eichelberger being a kid filled with potential but is a year or two away from really contributing. By that time Henry, Hamilton, Rychsboch (walk on) are gone...far gone.

So a Shiite team runs off Bigs with some sort of potential? More than  likely Barry and Phillips will tell Leitoa to go F himself and move on considering they aren't playing anyway.

So again, why did this staff re recruit them knowing they didn't fit their style and let them reopen their recruitment then? Obviously the staff couldn't coach them right? I'm not tying to be a dick here but let's face it, you get kids here and decide they are good enough to play for now, then coach them rather than just have them. Make them better. That is all.

And John92, I watched BG Jr. dominate crap HS competition playing on a very COMPLETE HS team. This is not HS or Prep hoops we are playing and we are far from being complete. That is all. So Eichelberger's "handles" up the court mean nothing in the grand scheme things.

Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: hbomb on December 31, 2015, 01:32:23 AM
So DL and staff prefer high IQ players? Can you tell me which staff in the country prefer low IQ players? I appreciate your insight Cieperball, but I feel your opinions may be influenced by the access this staff allows you.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Ciepierball on January 03, 2016, 08:53:03 PM
Sorry, holidays have me running around, but will answer some questions...

John92 - Al is the type of player that doesn't do anything pretty, but gets it done.  Even with long arms, he's still undersized, but has amazing footwork, knows how to use his body down low, has a nice touch (especially when using the glass), and plays at 100% all the time.  He's going to work hard for this team, that's for sure.  I saw Al play alot.  When coaching the Illinois Stars, we were looking at taking a new player.  We saw Al play, and we thought he was a 2015, so we kept scouting him....but stopped after we found out he was a 2016.  If he bulks up, he'll be a load in the Big East.  I told a few people, that he if he played for someone like NIU, when we played them, he'd have 20 and 12....he's just a productive player.  Not flashy, but he's going to get the job done.  Do I see him being a starter here?  Not for the first two years....but I see him being a guy you can count on.

Big Kid - I was curious who rated them, because I know alot of these people.  Some recruits can be 5-star players, but don't fit what the coaches run.  Say a Caleb Swanigan....he's not going to play for a Shaka Smart team.  I think Dave came into this not knowing what he had, because none of these coaches coming in recruited these kids to their schools before.  When they came in, they realized these kids aren't what they are needing and looking for.  All coaches do this....it happens when a new coach takes over.

hbomb - Honestly, lots of coaches will take players with lower basketball IQ's, sometimes depending on the position/need.  I know for a fact Shaka will take kids with lower IQ's, as long as their run and jump athletes....he wants them to do their roles.  Thad Matta will take low IQ, but only for bigs.  Bo Ryan even will take one or two as long as they are athletes (and was told this).  So coaches do....and DePaul has very few guys that have this IQ.  And to your comment about my opinions being influenced.....I have access to tons of coaches.  I was at so many practices, and had 1:1 meetings with Purnell in the past.....but I still was honest.  Liked him as a person, but not as a coach.  I like our coaches as both now...plain and simple.

Also wanted to add that Seton Hall was 100% a loss due to low IQ by the players.  Look at how many layups were given to them because either Tommie or Myke had their back turned to the play.  Look at how many cuts were missed by our guys and we threw the ball away, like we never played together.  Leitao put us in every position to win.....those play calls were GREAT.....however the players didn't execute.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Munch123 on January 11, 2016, 08:41:33 AM
Let me respond to this wanna be coach the best way I can. 

Wood is just fine, and he does have his issues with his knees, but a lot of the kids have issues coach.   He has the least turnovers of anyone on the team buddy, check your facts. He also must be doin a pretty good job in the real coaches eyes or he wouldn't be playing.  As far as the dumb passers that threw him the ball against GW when he wasn't lookin!!!!!!!!   Aaron(wow) if you scared to handle the ball 5'9 shooting guard, then get off the court and tommy well, he just doesn't know any better cause he is so used to outletting to bill and only bill, which is a mistake.  As far as him running the offense are you kidding me the majority of the time they are running horns which require him to stand in the corner until bill decides if he is gonna shoot or pass watch the game please and they are yelling at more than DW on offense for being in the wrong place.
Bottome line DW is very important to this team and for you to sit back and try to call him out for nonsense without saying anything about any other player is a cop out that you demon fans do all to often.

Since your doing some calling out, let me do some of my own:

Aaron Simpson is not a big east player and never will be!!  Look at last year and this year, he always does will against the bum of the non conference schedule and then by the time big east rolls around he cant get on the court because he cant defend anyone and cant get his shot off on anyone look at the numbers. 

Ertan GAzi are you kidding me one day maybe but this guy in my opionion is not even a division 1 player, I know you are hoping and praying but theres a reason he wasn't on anyones radar.

I could go on and on but you will see for your self coach, that's DW is very valuable to this teams success and you should be more attentive to the team as a whole rather than just one player, because I could go on about BG, TH, MH, EC, RJ, etc but Im not gonna do that because its not productive, but don't be mistaken I will come for you.   If you wanna talk BBAll talk, but don't put BS post up fishing for someone to cosign what you have to say
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on January 11, 2016, 10:30:29 AM
Let me respond to this wanna be coach the best way I can. 

Wood is just fine, and he does have his issues with his knees, but a lot of the kids have issues coach.   He has the least turnovers of anyone on the team buddy, check your facts. He also must be doin a pretty good job in the real coaches eyes or he wouldn't be playing.  As far as the dumb passers that threw him the ball against GW when he wasn't lookin!!!!!!!!   Aaron(wow) if you scared to handle the ball 5'9 shooting guard, then get off the court and tommy well, he just doesn't know any better cause he is so used to outletting to bill and only bill, which is a mistake.  As far as him running the offense are you kidding me the majority of the time they are running horns which require him to stand in the corner until bill decides if he is gonna shoot or pass watch the game please and they are yelling at more than DW on offense for being in the wrong place.
Bottome line DW is very important to this team and for you to sit back and try to call him out for nonsense without saying anything about any other player is a cop out that you demon fans do all to often.

Since your doing some calling out, let me do some of my own:

Aaron Simpson is not a big east player and never will be!!  Look at last year and this year, he always does will against the bum of the non conference schedule and then by the time big east rolls around he cant get on the court because he cant defend anyone and cant get his shot off on anyone look at the numbers. 

Ertan GAzi are you kidding me one day maybe but this guy in my opionion is not even a division 1 player, I know you are hoping and praying but theres a reason he wasn't on anyones radar.

I could go on and on but you will see for your self coach, that's DW is very valuable to this teams success and you should be more attentive to the team as a whole rather than just one player, because I could go on about BG, TH, MH, EC, RJ, etc but Im not gonna do that because its not productive, but don't be mistaken I will come for you.   If you wanna talk BBAll talk, but don't put BS post up fishing for someone to cosign what you have to say
Say hi to Darrick for me. It is apparent you know him. If you are related to him, in my opinion, it is foolish to be on a message board and respond. A fan's perspective, for the most part, is going to be misinformed. If it was fully informed and without bias, they would not be on a message board; they'd be coaching D1 basketball. So a message board is a fan's outlet to share their views, with varying levels of misinformation / bias / ignorance.

But if you have seen this board before, you will know, when it comes to me, I have views that are sort of similar to yours. And based on what I said above... I have a bias / ignorance.

However, the threats are nonsense and not tolerated.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Munch123 on January 11, 2016, 12:11:33 PM
Mr moderator coming for some with facts is just that, don't make it a crime when your letting others blast away......  tks
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Munch123 on January 11, 2016, 12:13:04 PM
Mr moderator coming for some with facts is just that, don't make it a crime when your letting others blast away......  tks
and I am a fan as well..... :)
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: lovethedrake on January 11, 2016, 12:21:12 PM
Wood gets attention for bad play because he oozes with talent and it frustrates the hell out of depaul fans when that talent is not channeled into team play. 

Wood has moments of brilliance but all too often seems to take 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards.

I know that this poster is OHFinest from the Scout board and appears to be best friends with Wood and always comes to his defense.  I have no problem with that as its probably frustrating when people bash your friend of relative.   It's probably best to leave your emotions out of it though because as FJ said its just a message board and these are comments by people, myself included, that are not and have never been coaches aside from a select few.

Wood will be a major player for Depaul for the next two years so we all know how know important it is to reign him in and maximize his talent.  I believe DL will eventually get there with him, but at the moment it's a bit of a roller coaster. 

Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on January 11, 2016, 12:36:23 PM
Mr moderator coming for some with facts is just that, don't make it a crime when your letting others blast away......  tks
I have no clue what you mean by this.

You really must not know this site too well. It is the epitome of allowing people to blast away. And if the blast away statement is utterly stupid, the person who blasted in the first place is in line from getting blasted by others on this site.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Munch123 on January 11, 2016, 12:41:36 PM
I really don't mind it at all but since he is generally the cause of a lot of posters grief, I have no problem coming to his defense :)   and believe it or not I agree with some post, he does need to play smarter and have better shot selection at times, but just like SC, Butler, Seton Hall, Gtown,  when he is on this team is totally different so I hope like a few that he continues to grow as a player under DL.

Truth be told, I had to go in on Ciepierballs mess, just because for someone to bash one player on a team is unfair to him and fans that god forbid respect his opinion, and I like to talk smack too... lol   so its all good. 

We can break down the game, the defense, offense, coaches, recruiting etc.  even DW if you want....... :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on January 11, 2016, 02:02:06 PM
I understand Munch. I probably align more with you than most. I like Darrick's game, and his potential. When I saw people say Wood was the reason DePaul lost, I laughed. Without him first half, DePaul would have been down. He probably hurt more than helped second half, but that goes for most every player who saw time in the second half. But easy to pick out a scapegoat.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Ciepierball on January 14, 2016, 10:44:16 AM
I haven’t had time to respond to this until now, but wanted to explain some of my thoughts, and stress others.

Munch, I agree with you that it’s just not one player that is creating issues, but I think that lovethedrake said it best: “Wood gets attention for bad play because he oozes with talent and it frustrates the hell out of DePaul fans when the talent is not channeled into team play.”  Wood has a skill-set that is needed on this team, and no one else really has on this team.  He has that “burst” that he can get into the lane, great rise on his shot to take midrange jumpers (the one part of his game that I love), and athleticism that at times is eye-popping.  However, so much of it goes to waste because he has that “me first” attitude.  The last guy who had such great attributes, but had the same attitude, was Dar Tucker.  Is Wood as bad in that sense as Dar?  No.  But I see some of the same things that scares me for this team to progress.  Just some examples:

In one game, two times, he wasn’t looking at the ball and the ball was thrown away.  You blame the other players for passing it to him when he wasn’t looking, but the blame shouldn’t be passed off.  Was he setting a screen away from the ball?  That’s the only time your eyes shouldn’t be on the ball.  And twice in one game?

So many times during the game I see multiple teammates yelling at him on offense, and I see the coaches doing the same thing.  That means he’s going rogue, he’s doing his own thing, and when players do that, others just stand still.  That goes back to the days of Purnell where it was streetball.  There are too many times he tries to do it all himself.  Yes, other players do this too, and I call them out too (ie. Garrett), however in the 16 minutes a game Wood is out there, he’s putting his head down and doing his own thing too much for my liking.  Maybe my opinion and not yours.

I’m big on bench attitude…just don’t like his.  Some people don’t care about this, but just one of my pet peeves.

Yes, DePaul runs Horns a ton, but so do all college programs.  It’s pro-style, and it’s extremely effective, especially when you have bigs that can shoot.  And while I think Woods has the best attributes to be on the top of horns instead of Billy, I don’t think his IQ is there because I don’t think he’d make the right read.  Hopefully this changes because it would make the play more effective, but right now Billy makes better reads, and I think Woods is more dangerous on the baseline as a shooter and penetrator.

When you take on a college scholarship, you’re getting a lot of great things, but some bad things as well, which is criticism.  He chose to play in front of fans, and with that comes scrutiny.  He’s getting it.  We expect something more from him.  That’s what I’m saying.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: John92 on January 28, 2016, 10:59:44 AM
Ciep, with the passage of 5 weeks or so since the original post to this thread, any updated thoughts? 
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Griffin11 on January 28, 2016, 01:41:55 PM
Ciep, with the passage of 5 weeks or so since the original post to this thread, any updated thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_f8l2RRKko
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Big Kid on January 28, 2016, 11:01:25 PM
Excellent Griff!!!!
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: Ciepierball on January 31, 2016, 02:42:34 PM
Just getting to this now...have been in bed for over a week with pneumonia.  Getting some life back in my now, so will respond to this thread on what I think so far.

First I want to call out the players that I have been impressed with thus far.  First, Myke Henry is having a great year.  Shooting the ball extremely well, not being selfish, rebounding the ball, and playing "better" defense (still not good).  Second, Eli Cain has been outstanding as a freshmen.  His penetrating ability is outstanding for his age/position, and has a chance to be something very good at DePaul.  He's not Sammy Mejia, but he is Sammy-like, and able to play multiple positions.  Lastly, Rashaun Stimage has been great this year.  The box score doesn't keep track of what he does, but his energy is great out there.  What's sad is only one of these three guys comes back.

Second, I need to call out Billy Garrett Jr.  You are NOT a star PG when you are averaging 13.7 points and 3.8 assists and only shooting 42% from the field and 27% from the arc.  It's almost like it's PR coming from somewhere to pump him up, because he's the most unimpressive "star" DePaul has ever had.  His IQ is average for a PG, he makes selfish plays, and people always used to talk about his defense coming into DePaul....why haven't we seen it?

Third, Tommie on offense is an asset for a pick-and-pop big.  He's worthless down low, and while he's a very good passer, he's not a willing one.  On defense Tommie doesn't care.  It's 0% effort, he doesn't rotate, he doesn't talk, and he doesn't play aggressive.  He can be so good, but he's so disappointing.

Fourth, I'm still firm on what I think of Wood and his game.  Pure talent, I don't think anyone would argue that he's the best on the squad.  But he's pure "me"....and I'm sure people will say others are like this too.  I know.  And I called them out too.

Lastly, the coaches were given crap.  I would have gotten rid of everyone, but you know that isn't the Catholic way.  I know these coaches from other schools, so I know what they are capable of, and trust in them.  Next year is the year to judge pure coaching and recruiting.....right now incomplete.
Title: Re: Ciepierball's Thoughts Thru The Non-Conference (Long)
Post by: mrap24 on February 16, 2016, 08:08:05 PM
After the non-conference, wanted to get my thoughts out there.  Lots to read below, but I'm hoping you guys respond and let me know your thoughts.

Am I Happy Thus Far? - I said from the beginning that this year was more about developing a culture and putting in a system that you'll use for years to come, rather one that just works with what you have.  However, thru this I wanted to see us win some games, and show promise for the future.  So, am I happy thus far?  Let me first walk you through my thoughts...we are 6-6.  Our losses are to Penn State (very solid team), South Carolina (undefeated right now), Florida State (consistent NCAA team from a power conference), Arkansas Little-Rock (at the time #1 defensive team in the country and was undefeated until yesterday), Stanford (good team but on the road), and Northwestern (a very good team that we should have beaten).  We didn't lose to any chumps like we have in the past, and we beat the #20 team in the country in George Washington, which hasn't happened since 2008.  I would have said I would be super happy if we were 7-5, which meant we won two big games, however I thought that Northwestern game was virtually a win, as we outplayed them, so I would say I'm not super happy, but I'm happy, however I'm extremely excited about the future.

The Kids Are Starting To Buy In - A few days ago I was talking on the phone to OldSchoolDemon, and I told him "the Northwestern game was a game where the kids I believe found their roles".  When you find your role, and you're comfortable in your role, that means you've bought in to what the coaches are preaching.  I really do think the kids bought in, and you can see from the bench that the kids were so excited...even the ones that weren't playing.  The last two games you can see that players are playing differently than they have in the past, where they are playing more inside their comfort zones versus trying to do too much.  I'll get into that later, but it shows they are buying into what the coaches are preaching.

Are The Coaches Effectively Teaching The Kids? - This was a debate on this board as early as yesterday morning.  Many people have different opinions, and before I give mine, I want to point a few things out:

- These kids were not recruited by this staff, but rather the previous.  Gazi and Scott are the only true recruits that this staff has gotten on their own.  The rest are leftovers from the previous regime.

- None of these kids were really recruited by our coaches at their previous schools.  That says something.

- You can't each a 5 year old how to drive a car.  You can't teach a dophin to jog.  Well, these kids have low basketball IQ's, and like I said, these aren't the kids that they would have hand-picked to run what they want to.  But with that being said, look at Myke Henry this year versus last, especially on defense, where he's improved alot.  Also his shot selection.  How about Aaron Simpson, especially moving without the ball and being more aggressive.  The rebounding of Tommie (which I still think needs to be better), but it has improved.  The last two games you can just tell that the team's identity has changed, and they are playing much harder, stronger, and more aggressive.  That comes from the teaching that's going on behind closed doors.  Also, minus Woods, our shot selection this year, especially over the last couple of games, is so much better than previous years.  Again, teaching and coaching.  I love what the coaches are doing, and impressive for what they were dealt with.

Our Seniors Are Our MVP's - I've been so impressed with our seniors, as they are playing like true seniors.  Just want to call them out as to why.

Molinari - Watch him on the bench.  This guy is 100% leadership, and it really shows during timeouts when they are in huddles.  I hope they retain him as a grad assistant next year. 

Simpson - I didn't think much of him going into the year, but he's having what I call a Kerry Hartfield-like presence on the team.  He's great from the outside, and for being so small, is so aggressive on both ends of the floor, and surprisingly on the glass.

Henry - Our best offensive player, and has really expanded his game to the dribble drive this year.  His midrange game is unstoppable, and his offensive rebounding has really been key for us this year.

Stimage - He's my team MVP.  The stats don't really show what he means to this team, but he plays with such aggressiveness, passion, is such a great asset on defensive, and overall his personality is contagious to the rest of the team.  Love what he brings!

Is Garrett Finding His Inner Sammy Mejia? - I do know for a fact that when the staff was coming in, they saw Garrett as a guy who can play the role Sammy did for Leitao for two years.  Same size, same position, and many of the same skills....it's just that you need to have a kid who's been playing one way for so long to change his game a bit.  I saw so much Sammy in Garrett last night.  Remember...Leitao used to post Sammy up alot, as well as have him work the middle of the lane for 10-12 footers.  That is Garrett's game!  If he's able to get into the lane and pull up like he did, it only creates more opportunities's for others, gets higher percentage shots (which he needs), as well as opens up his perimeter game, where now he's given some space.  Also loved how they had him flash into the high post at times against the zone.  Such a great idea by the coaching staff!  I haven't been a fan of Garrett lately, but that's because of the way he played before.  If the takes this role on, he becomes a weapon!  And it's evident that the coaching staff is trying to have him buy into this, because twice after timeouts, Leitao said "YOU SEE?  YOU SEE?"  And Billy was shaking his said, smiling, and laughing.  Maybe his eyes are open.

Hamilton Is What He Is - People are so hard on Tommie, because they expect so much out of him.  My dad last night was railing into him, and he was like "That kid just sucks".  Then I pointed this out: He's a bench player that averages 10 points, 7 rebounds, and shoots over 50% from the floor.  Is that bad?  We need to forget about him being ranked Top 20 when he was 14 years old.  History showed that this was a horrible ranking.  We need to remember he was unranked, with only two offers, and we got him.  He's a stretch 4 (no, not a 5, a stretch 4) who is a bench player and provides very good scoring, defensive rebounding, and size.  That's all.  For that, I'm not complaining.

Darrick Wood Has To Go - There are 100 reasons why I don't like this kid.  But let's go over just a few of them:

- Yesterday he was pulled out, and we are winning, and he's pouting, and acting like we are losing by 30.  Then in the line after the game, he's sitting there mumbling all pissed off.  YOU JUST BEAT A RANKED TEAM YOU JACKASS!

- His knees are 100% shot.  He doesn't practice every practice, but somehow he's always ready for games.  Seems like selective pain to me.  If your knees suck, hang it up.

- Defensively he stays in front of his man, but he lets them move forward all the time.  What's the point of playing defense if you let them advance all the time?  It's called laziness.

- Offensively he has no clue what's going on.  Watch when he's out there, and the rest of the team on the floor is always yelling at him because he made the wrong cut, or is deviating from what was called.  Then when you're playing on offense, unless you're doing a down pick, you always have an eye on the ball.  TWICE yesterday he took his eye off the ball, and twice they were turnovers.  WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU LOOKING AT DARRICK?!?!  So, he isn't paying attention without the ball, just imagine when he has the ball......that's why he never finds open teammates.

Darrick, if you read this board, let me say that you are glad you didn't have me as a coach, because I would make your life in practice a living hell, not play you, and then kick you off the team at the end of the year.

My Recruiting Strategy For Next Year - Right now we have 12 committed players for next season, meaning we have one slot left to fill.  This is what I would do, and I'll do it in a granular way:

- With the open scholarship, I would fill it with a change-of-pace PG.  I think we are seeing what good a speedster would do on this squad.  It would open things up, and provide something we lack off the bench.

- Get rid of Develle Phillips.  He's obviously not the right fit, so do the kid a favor and have him go elsewhere.  In his place, get a Juco big man, much like Marlon Jones.  You have a void with Stimage leaving, and we need someone who will rebound, defend, and if they can score, bonus!

- Get rid of Oumar Barry.  He's another guy who obviously the coaches aren't a huge fan of, and bring in a 5th year big man.  A guy who say average 6points and 5 rebounds at Eastern Illinois would be more productive than Barry would next season, and he would give flexibility for the 2017 class.

- Get rid of Darrick Wood.  He's a cancer to this team.  In his place, I would get a 5th year guard, and ONLY get a 5th year guard.  There are a ton of these kids out there, and as long as they were somewhat productive, and can hit an outside shot, they can help us, and still give us flexibility for 2017.

- Then in 2017 you have 6 open spots that you can get in guys that THIS staff wants.  And the new arena will be a good tool to use for that class as well.

revisionist history is great.  reading this now, i laughed b/c almost everything isnt wrong.  anyone who is happy should be ashamed.  no one has found a role and there is no cohesion and the team is getting worse
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