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Title: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: kman999 on January 17, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
Understanding that DL's 4th year may already be guaranteed, what would it take for YOU to give DL a fourth year?  Is there a benchmark in year 3 that he has to hit?  Wins/Losses? Post-season? Subjective barometers?  Do you give him year 4 regardless?

Would like to hear your guys' thoughts.  For me -- 14-15 wins.  I know that is absurdly low, but it is something that no DePaul coach has been able to do since . . . . I was a freshman at DePaul, 2006-2007.

Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: lovethedrake on January 17, 2017, 01:40:38 PM
15 Wins and a great recruiting class coming in.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: Ciepierball on January 17, 2017, 02:08:01 PM
Over .500.  Not at .500, but over .500.  No reason why we can't do that.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: mrap24 on January 17, 2017, 02:23:16 PM
minimum 6 BE wins.  I dont care about winning games vs a ultra soft non con slate, its all about the BE.  if we hit a 13th BE loss next season, pack your bags immediately
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on January 17, 2017, 03:47:25 PM
9 conference wins;

Anything less is a disgrace, when you have two highly touted transfers in Max and Austin, a special player in Eli Cain, a probable 4 star had he not got hurt guy in Cyrus, and then 2 top 100 caliber recruits in Roberts and Butz.

However, if these players are overhyped, and the truth is a bit less, than i say 7 conference wins.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: Hayes-Healy Superstar on January 17, 2017, 03:50:18 PM
16-14 and legit top 100 recruits coming in.  No less than that.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: lake county fan on January 17, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
At least 500
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: hbomb on January 17, 2017, 04:44:06 PM
.750 winning % in the Non-Con and 9-9 in the Big East.  He had the first two years to show incremental improvement and he absolutely botched it.  It's pure insanity to keep a coach that 1. doesn't have a history of rebuilding programs 2. takes over for a coach that got 6 BE wins, for more than 3 years if it takes him 3 years to meet his predecessor's level of awfulness. 

Matching OP's 6 wins in year 3 is absolutely unacceptable.  He should have matched that year 1 (if was actually a decent coach and all evidence points the contrary). 
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: erbsademon on January 18, 2017, 10:51:15 AM
I think a minimum of .500 in conference next year or I'd fire him.  Unlikely as it is winning 4 conf games next year would be enough for JLP to keep him on.  That being said, I bet JLP gave DL an extension after the win over Providence.  Hopefully the DPU president's search committee hires a competent president this time and the new prez fires JLP and hires a good AD.  The university is in shambles right now, missed enrollment targets for 5 consecutive years. 
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: lake county fan on January 18, 2017, 02:58:53 PM
It would be great if they bring in a president who is very sportminded
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: lake county fan on January 18, 2017, 03:01:25 PM
I am not sure what the rules are but I would not want a priest for president
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: Depressed on January 18, 2017, 08:39:42 PM
He'll be fired by than , I'll be dead and a Old ass Ben Howland will bring in a top 15 recruiting class
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: DPU70 on January 21, 2017, 11:26:31 AM
I think he is already guaranteed a 4.  And I, unfortunately, don't have a say in this matter.
I did expect more from him then op's final year.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: Griffin11 on January 24, 2017, 09:21:23 AM
Honestly, I don't care when DL is fired.  What I do care about is when we will have a competent AD.  Then I will car about hiring the next coach.  We're already on strike three with this current regime and I have no confidence in her ability to bring in the next guy.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: DPU70 on August 02, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
DL will last as long as JLP does.  I posted that before.

And, I bet Sr does too.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: John92 on August 05, 2017, 09:05:08 AM
not sure of the schedule.  That said the non-con looks like it has 4-5 real teams.  Maybe go a minimum of 7-6 non con and win 6 BE games.  So 13 for a bubble based on an overall evaluation and 14 or more is safe.   Obviously you want more in year 3 but given the situation.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on August 07, 2017, 08:51:27 AM
not sure of the schedule.  That said the non-con looks like it has 4-5 real teams.  Maybe go a minimum of 7-6 non con and win 6 BE games.  So 13 for a bubble based on an overall evaluation and 14 or more is safe.   Obviously you want more in year 3 but given the situation.
Given the situation? 3 years is enough time to assess a coach based upon their record.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: mrap24 on August 07, 2017, 10:57:39 AM
not sure of the schedule.  That said the non-con looks like it has 4-5 real teams.  Maybe go a minimum of 7-6 non con and win 6 BE games.  So 13 for a bubble based on an overall evaluation and 14 or more is safe.   Obviously you want more in year 3 but given the situation.
Given the situation? 3 years is enough time to assess a coach based upon their record.

what is the situation?  who shoulders the "blame" and what does it say that you have to completely overturn your staff after 2 seasons?  who does that lay on and say about the short and long term stability of the program?
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: Big Kid on August 07, 2017, 07:33:34 PM
I would lay most of the blamethe feet at the incompetent AD and former President who got yet and gave yet another contract extension for basic dereliction of duty if we believe the rumors which seem true considering all that has gone on this offseason.

If the rumor is true ( and this point no reason to deny) then you'll see Leitao here a 4th and possibly 5th year as well. Excuse for failure will be "tough" non-con schedule is only preparing for us for 2018 and when the most heralded recruit in 10 years comes aboard. Even if she's replaced at some point it's not happening soon and the new AD will have to get his/her bearings around them righted before they can do an all out search. We are stuck with this guy for the next two seasons at least.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: edr18 on August 12, 2017, 12:09:56 PM

I expect less I guess but a .500 season would be enough for me. He inheriated one of the worst power or mid major programs in the nation. He has done a good job raising the talent level in two years and it will take another two to see the results if they come.

I think the schedule is pretty tough and 13 to 15 wins should be expected. Also, possibly the two most talented players we have (recruiting rankings out of high school) are a year away from playing.

Yes, I know, I hoped for the results above last year.

Just my $0.02.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on August 12, 2017, 05:50:57 PM
Again, there is not much proof the talent has improved significantly thus far. There is perhaps more hype but it matters how the players actually play and not how well they are hyped.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: edr18 on August 12, 2017, 08:04:14 PM
Well, the way I see it:

1) Henry was one of our best players in the last decade so if Coleman-Lands plays to his level which he is expected to do considering he was higher ranked out of high school and was more successful at the same university before his transfer in his time at that school I would say that is better than the average recruit/transfer during the OP and JW era.

2) Diener - Yep, not a top 200 recruit, but he has already done more in high school then our average recruit. I fully expect him to be a solid player. We shall see.

3) Tyger - He alone makes his class better than at least 7 of the last 10 or 11 classes.

I will stick to what I said which was "on paper" recruiting/transfers have improved noticeably over the previous two coaching staffs.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on August 14, 2017, 08:07:37 AM
Well, the way I see it:

1) Henry was one of our best players in the last decade so if Coleman-Lands plays to his level which he is expected to do considering he was higher ranked out of high school and was more successful at the same university before his transfer in his time at that school I would say that is better than the average recruit/transfer during the OP and JW era.

2) Diener - Yep, not a top 200 recruit, but he has already done more in high school then our average recruit. I fully expect him to be a solid player. We shall see.

3) Tyger - He alone makes his class better than at least 7 of the last 10 or 11 classes.

I will stick to what I said which was "on paper" recruiting/transfers have improved noticeably over the previous two coaching staffs.
And I will say that the measuring stick is now so small, that we are getting excited about classes that perhaps are 8th best in the Big East at best.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: mrap24 on August 14, 2017, 09:54:34 AM
JCL has played 2 full season of college hoops, the book is out on him.  defaulting to "he's a former top 50 recruit" i think, as this point goes away.  he has had significant playing time at the college level.  odds are, he is what he is, which is a dynamite standstill 3 point shooter, and really nothing else.  his defense make BGJR look like shane battier.  Henry was a guy who had minimal PT, with no tape out there on him.  kinda apples to ornages

but until we get guys who can be a presence in the paint, none of the wings will matter
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: ayakulik1 on September 02, 2017, 07:32:20 AM
.500 in conference and a Top 25 recruiting class.

Sorry, but that's the barometer, Otherwise, yet ANOTHER horrible hire.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: DPU70 on September 04, 2017, 08:39:22 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again.

He'll be here as long as she is.

Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: VUWildcat2103 on January 16, 2018, 09:05:56 AM
So is DPU70 right; is Leitao's job safe because JLP is around?
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: lovethedrake on January 16, 2018, 09:56:27 AM
Most likely, but he definitely does not deserve it. 

We are in year 3 and have 1 win over a kenpom top 230 team.   
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: Hayes-Healy Superstar on January 16, 2018, 10:31:16 AM
16-14 and legit top 100 recruits coming in.  No less than that.

I think that is a pretty spot on assessment that is falling FAR short.
Title: Re: A 4th Year for DL . . .
Post by: Big Kid on January 16, 2018, 12:39:28 PM
To me the barometer was .500. Taking 2/5 from ND, ILL, MSU, ORE or NU (I saw as realistic or at least precedented for a 3rd year team) and winning 6 BE games (a little tougher but still within reason) and beating the inferior non-con opponents would've gave us our first non losing regular season in years and maybe would've garnered a spark of excitement in the least. We lost all 5 of those "quality" Non Con games, hit the mark by not having a "bad" loss but as it looks now, and with most of our "easier" BE games behind us, 2-3 BE wins would be the new benchmark.
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