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Demons Abyss / Re: Who should be our next AD???
« Last post by Seyton on February 23, 2018, 10:20:04 AM »
"I think it's crazy if you or anyone else think that any coach that would remotely consider this cesspool would be .500 or better after two and a half years."

Ben Howland, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 13-19 Mississippi St team to 20-8 and knocking on the door for an NCAA bid this year.

Rick Barnes, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 16-16 Tennessee team to 20-7 and a lock for a  NCAA bid this year.

Brian Wardle, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 9-24 Bradley to 19-11 this year.

John Brannen, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 13-17 Northern Kentucky team moved to a slightly better conference and is 20-8 this year.

Chris Beard,  hired before the 2015-16 season took a 13-18 Arkansas Little Rock team and went 30-5 the next season, made the tourney and upset Purdue.

Steve Forbes, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 16-14 East Tennesse St team and is 23-6 this year.

Eric Musselman, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 9-22 Nevada team to 24-5 and are ranked in top 25

Steve McLain, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 10-24 UIC team to 17-12 this year.

Steve Donahue, hired before the 2015-16 season took took a 9-19 Penn team to 19-7 (9-1 Ivy league)

You make it seem like this is an impossible task, like it's never been done.  It gets done ALL THE TIME.  The problem is the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR HIRING THE DEPAUL'S COACHES IS A COMPLETE MORON. 

And while I agree the roster has improved since his first year, it's still not good enough to WIN Big East games.  I'm tired of the, "we're competitive in the games this season" and "we don't lose by 20+ every game".  F that!!  I don't want to just be competitive, I WANT WINS!!  I WANT TO TALK TRASH, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME PRIDE IN MY TEAM!! 


P.S. I know some (or many) of those coaches may not have wanted to come to DePaul and yes some of those conferences are easier but the point is it's not impossible to turn a team around in 3 seasons.

I understand where you're coming from, but in my opinion none of those programs you listed are remotely like DePaul.  I know what you're getting at, but I don't agree with comparing those programs and their situations to DePaul.  I don't think they're like examples.

And I completely understand you're frustration around not wanting to just be competitive and wanting to talk trash.  Who isn't frustrated?  Hell, who isn't or at one time was irate?

What I'm saying is I think the number one thing a coach can do is come in and build a foundation and to me that starts with the roster.  I think Leitao is doing that.  It's slower than I want, but I also think there are excellent reasons for why it would be so slow.  I don't think any hire, save a Billy Gillespie situation at UK, should have any less than four years to prove or not prove his worth.  A full recruiting cycle.  I think it's unfair to Leitao, given the upgrades to the roster, remembering the standards by which we're measuring, to kick him out after two and half, now almost three full seasons.  It may take longer, but Butz and Roberts are good starts. 

I think, by the tone of the arguments and what is being argued here, most aren't giving proper consideration to just how awful the situation and culture at DePaul is when it comes to assessing Leitao, even though everyone is fully aware and acknowledges how severe it is.

This is all just my opinion and how I come at it.  I think it took 20+ years to get to where we are now.  To expect it to be reversed in less than three years is unrealistic to me.  I think it will take much longer and if you're going to give someone time to fix it, considering how much time you wasted on Wainwright and Purnell, why not give Dave the same amount?  He did well the first time he was here and in year three at least some people agree the roster has been upgraded.  I say give him a fourth and/or fifth year.

I've been through this at Indiana.  And that was *Indiana*.  6-25 is easier to come back from there than at DePaul.  And it was not easy there - anyone could look at us (IU in this case) and see that.

Look, I'm not some Dave Leitao super fan.  I'm not.  If they fired him after the season you wouldn't see me react except to ask that whether it be Leitao or anyone else, is it really smart to start over when Leitao does seem to have some roster momentum no matter how slight it may seem in such a relatively short time span?

Beyond that, I feel like regardless of what I think of Leitao I think he's competent which is a big change from the previous two efforts of his predecessors.  In that regard I think a totally inept university and athletic department miraculously lucked into at least not getting worse.  Why would anyone here want these current administrations to be in charge of another hire? 

I don't know if Leitao can get this to a winning program but he may, may, be able to get us to a legitimate .500 team.  That in and of itself would be quite an accomplishment and leave the program in good stead for whoever can take it from there.  But I think it will take a while - longer than anyone wants and certainly longer than any of us deserve.  You definitely won't get any argument from me.
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Demons Abyss / Re: Who should be our next AD???
« Last post by erbsademon on February 23, 2018, 09:43:55 AM »
"I think it's crazy if you or anyone else think that any coach that would remotely consider this cesspool would be .500 or better after two and a half years."

Ben Howland, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 13-19 Mississippi St team to 20-8 and knocking on the door for an NCAA bid this year.

Rick Barnes, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 16-16 Tennessee team to 20-7 and a lock for a  NCAA bid this year.

Brian Wardle, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 9-24 Bradley to 19-11 this year.

John Brannen, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 13-17 Northern Kentucky team moved to a slightly better conference and is 20-8 this year.

Chris Beard,  hired before the 2015-16 season took a 13-18 Arkansas Little Rock team and went 30-5 the next season, made the tourney and upset Purdue.

Steve Forbes, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 16-14 East Tennesse St team and is 23-6 this year.

Eric Musselman, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 9-22 Nevada team to 24-5 and are ranked in top 25

Steve McLain, hired before the 2015-16 season took a 10-24 UIC team to 17-12 this year.

Steve Donahue, hired before the 2015-16 season took took a 9-19 Penn team to 19-7 (9-1 Ivy league)

You make it seem like this is an impossible task, like it's never been done.  It gets done ALL THE TIME.  The problem is the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR HIRING THE DEPAUL'S COACHES IS A COMPLETE MORON. 

And while I agree the roster has improved since his first year, it's still not good enough to WIN Big East games.  I'm tired of the, "we're competitive in the games this season" and "we don't lose by 20+ every game".  F that!!  I don't want to just be competitive, I WANT WINS!!  I WANT TO TALK TRASH, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME PRIDE IN MY TEAM!! 


P.S. I know some (or many) of those coaches may not have wanted to come to DePaul and yes some of those conferences are easier but the point is it's not impossible to turn a team around in 3 seasons. 
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Demons Abyss / Re: Who should be our next AD???
« Last post by DPU70 on February 23, 2018, 09:11:07 AM »
I guess my take is, the talent level has improved over previous years.  However, 2 things are happening. 
First, I believe we have too many round pegs and none fit the square holes.  To over simplify.  Cain, Strus and Cyrus, who get the bulk of back court play time, are basically the same.  And, none are a true point guard.  so, that's out perimeter.

the second problem I see is we have lost games due to coaching mishaps.  Lost 2 games with key players on the bench at the end.  Time outs are saved or used too late to stop opponent runs.  On TV, the huddle discussion is almost meaningless.  There is no instruction or play correction or creation.  Why he even holds a grease board is beyond me.  So, my second problem is poor in game coaching.

How many double digit leads have we blown?  How many last shots did we not make without a good play drawn up?  How many defensive lapses do we endure?

the rest is on the players.  I have never seen so many passes to NO ONE in my life.  turnovers can be avoided, but not by us.  At Nova, 7 straight turnovers led to their 18 straight points.  That is not an isolated case.  It happened all year.
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Demons Abyss / Re: Who should be our next AD???
« Last post by Seyton on February 23, 2018, 08:35:36 AM »
So, what youíre saying is this guy has a talented team and has led them to 3 BE wins and 0 at home and heís head and shoulders above his predecessors? Got it. Havenít you seen what he did with this so called talented roster?

What I meant was in terms of the roster he's built, as bad as it is, it's still head and shoulders better than anything the other two put together.  So in my mind that's something that stands out.

I've already said that I wasn't excited by the hire and I'm not psyched about him and, to someone else's point, he's got the same record as the other two.  If I was unclear at first then I've certainly articulated it clearly by now - I'm not sure how you guys are missing it.  Did you forget how to read while I was gone?

It is possible to think and give credit to Leitao for things while also not liking him.  When you're talking about DePaul you're talking about starting from ground zero in literally every facet of the program.  You guys talk like three years here is the same as three years at Kentucky.  You know how awful and desolate DePaul is yet you think someone should be let go after two and a half years when it may be just the fact the roster is upgraded with bad Big East players is qualified as a success, where being in games we lose is qualified as a success.  That's how bad it is.  But that is a lot better than the previous two coaches.

I think it's crazy if you or anyone else think that any coach that would remotely consider this cesspool would be .500 or better after two and a half years.  I didn't like the hire.  I didn't want it.  But, he is making progress in terms of the roster, however slow it is.  To the extent that doesn't turn into wins right now I'm OK with.  I think the roster is more important than wins at this point.  It's not worth it to bring in a bunch of mercenaries in order window dress the program with wins.  It's better to build.  Could someone be building it faster?  Maybe, but it wouldn't be much faster than what we've seen, such was and is the state of DePaul basketball.

At the time I wanted Bobby Hurley.  Who wouldn't?  But when talking about Leitao or anybody else it's not just one summary judgement.  There's so much wrong with DePaul to say that Leitao has the same record as Wainwright and Purnell without any context just seems stupid to me.  I must be missing the part where anyone discusses any of that - I haven't seen it. 

I don't like having to defend Leitao because when you do people jump all over it and say you're an apologist or lover or whatever, but it's odd to know and dismiss how utterly desolate and depressing DePaul's situation is and then hold ANYONE to two and a half years to somehow be 17-13. 

People here who are ripping the buttons off their shirts because we're 10-17 instead of what they think should be 14-13 completely miss the point and it doesn't surprise me they're unable to take in what I'm saying here.
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Demons Abyss / Re: Who should be our next AD???
« Last post by Big Kid on February 23, 2018, 12:13:06 AM »
So, what youíre saying is this guy has a talented team and has led them to 3 BE wins and 0 at home and heís head and shoulders above his predecessors? Got it. Havenít you seen what he did with this so called talented roster?
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Demons Abyss / Re: Who should be our next AD???
« Last post by Seyton on February 22, 2018, 08:13:07 PM »
This program is dead.  Nobody at DePaul cares whether it be the students or administration.  Joe Ponsetto told my father that they re-hired Dave Leitao based upon the fact they kept coming back to wanting someone to do things "like when Dave was here" and someone who would embrace the culture "like Dave did", etc. to the point they eventually said, "Why not just go get Dave?"

I'm not nearly as low on Leitao as you guys are - he's head and shoulders above Wainwright and Purnell and I think he's actually got some kids, multiple kids, who are true Big East players on the roster now.  I think the hole he's trying to dig out of is massive. 

That said, I understand frustration with that hire.  While I don't dislike Leitao, I don't like the thought process or lack thereof.  The first time around Leitao inherited and built upon good talent.  This time he inherited absolutely nothing and he doesn't have a track record of building programs.

DePaul does not care.  They are incapable of assessing and addressing issues facing the program and their decision making is not reflective of a university that is serious about competing.  I only watch and follow them anymore from a distance.  It's not just the insane amount of losing, but the utter lack of competitiveness over the course of almost 20 consecutive years. 

DePaul is dead.  They have been for some time.

ah yes, the statement devoid of any actual facts.  There is absolutely no facts to support that he is better than OP.  And while OP wasnt good, Dave has been significantly worse.  and with all these players that belong in the BE, how come that doesn't translate into BE wins, in year 3.

if true, that comment from Joe is disgusting and exactly whats wring with depaul that most seem to ignore

I should have said in my opinion DL is head and shoulders above JW and OP.  I think the roster right now is a lot better than anything either one of those two had.  Whether DL can do anything with it I don't know. 

And I said I didn't like the mindset that led to Leitao so I'm not exactly psyched that he's here - I just think he's better than having Wainwright or Purnell.  If other people think differently that's fine with me.  Like you said, the records are more less the same.

Those quotes aren't verbatim but they're very close.  It is for sure what Joe Ponsetto told my father.  100%.
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Demons Abyss / Re: Who should be our next AD???
« Last post by Seyton on February 22, 2018, 08:05:42 PM »
I wonder if DePaul would be able to pry John McDonough's lieutenant Jay Blunk away from the Blackhawks to be the AD/Marketing guru.

Give Tom Crean a Brinks truck to coach (though he'd say no), and we would be back within 2 years.

It'll never happen, but if the university wanted to spend tens of millions of dollars to buy back relevance, it could happen.

Being an IU alum I watched Tom Crean up close and in great detail and I think he's terrible.  When he has good teams they're super fun.  He doesn't have good teams very often.
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Demons Abyss / Re: Who should be our next AD???
« Last post by lovethedrake on February 22, 2018, 11:17:55 AM »
DL is 8-43 in the Big East and does not have a single win in conference or out of conference against a team that finished better than 44 in kenpom.

I have tried to defend DL but the results are so awful that it has become impossible.
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